Comments on: Edupunk: It’s Alien vs Predator With Relevance of Universities at Stake http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/ When innovation and execution collide Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:27:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: I got the point of Edupunk…it’s the opposite of a factory! « WWC http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-240 I got the point of Edupunk…it’s the opposite of a factory! « WWC Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:59:06 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-240 [...] I said in my October 14, 2009 post:  “I got the point of Edupunk right away.” At first I was a little cautious about [...] [...] I said in my October 14, 2009 post:  “I got the point of Edupunk right away.” At first I was a little cautious about [...]

]]> By: Class 4: Days of Engagement « CS 4235 Introduction to Information Security http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-129 Class 4: Days of Engagement « CS 4235 Introduction to Information Security Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:13:24 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-129 [...] posted a few articles (see this or this for topics that might be conversation-starters) on my WWC Blog at  [...] [...] posted a few articles (see this or this for topics that might be conversation-starters) on my WWC Blog at  [...]

]]> By: Peter Freeman http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-48 Peter Freeman Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:08:41 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-48 I largely agree with your POV, and am reminded of some personal experiences of universities to resist change (GT in the 90's with Baldridge-type quality improvement efforts, and UCI in the 60's and 70's with edtech de jour) and a study (don't have a reference) that the only organizations that exist today in largely the form they were in 500 years ago are the Roman Catholic Church, the Parliament of Iceland, and 63 universities. A relevant pointer regarding ed tech efforts to disrupt is a foundation led by a friend, Art Bushkin, http://www.stargazer.org/ I largely agree with your POV, and am reminded of some personal experiences of universities to resist change (GT in the 90′s with Baldridge-type quality improvement efforts, and UCI in the 60′s and 70′s with edtech de jour) and a study (don’t have a reference) that the only organizations that exist today in largely the form they were in 500 years ago are the Roman Catholic Church, the Parliament of Iceland, and 63 universities.

A relevant pointer regarding ed tech efforts to disrupt is a foundation led by a friend, Art Bushkin, http://www.stargazer.org/

]]> By: beki70 http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-47 beki70 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:54:26 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-47 I grew up with punk my understanding of it was that it was a form of social critique. From what I recall of various reading Malcolm McLaren's Sex Pistols were as much about as exploring the boundaries of institutions as they were about the music (reading of their lyrics suggests this, God Save the Queen, EMI etc...). So, wearing my socially informed design hat, I'm not sure I want punk systems. I want an edupunk that doesn't rush to problem solution, but spends time critiquing the status quo. In general I want more time for problem discovery. At least for me punk was less about what was produced, especially musically, but the institutions it took up and examined through the music, and through the institutional channels that regulate and govern the dissemination and consumption of music. I grew up with punk my understanding of it was that it was a form of social critique. From what I recall of various reading Malcolm McLaren’s Sex Pistols were as much about as exploring the boundaries of institutions as they were about the music (reading of their lyrics suggests this, God Save the Queen, EMI etc…).

So, wearing my socially informed design hat, I’m not sure I want punk systems. I want an edupunk that doesn’t rush to problem solution, but spends time critiquing the status quo. In general I want more time for problem discovery. At least for me punk was less about what was produced, especially musically, but the institutions it took up and examined through the music, and through the institutional channels that regulate and govern the dissemination and consumption of music.

]]> By: Jonathon Richter http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-46 Jonathon Richter Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:51:44 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-46 Look at the Gardner Hype Cycle relevant to EdTech and you'll see the Learning Management System is plateauing out pasture into obsolescence. Networks of user-created content are indeed, as Christensen et al. predict, going to be the first wave of disruptive innovation that will finally topple the 150+ years of educational stagflation... regardless of what the so called "edupunks" do. Gardner Campbell thinks the term is inappropriate. Jim Groom is overly smug about his inventing it before it's seen to matter for the price of printing his bumper sticker. I was a self-styled punk in the early '80's and heartily believe that there WAS something special and great and different about the intelligent punk back then -- that which Green Day, Nirvana, etc. now reflect only in the most commercial sense today in my opinion (they're too hypocritical, like many of us). Keep innovating at the margin! But also... because of these extraordinary times: innovate from the core, too: fight the power! Look at the Gardner Hype Cycle relevant to EdTech and you’ll see the Learning Management System is plateauing out pasture into obsolescence. Networks of user-created content are indeed, as Christensen et al. predict, going to be the first wave of disruptive innovation that will finally topple the 150+ years of educational stagflation… regardless of what the so called “edupunks” do. Gardner Campbell thinks the term is inappropriate. Jim Groom is overly smug about his inventing it before it’s seen to matter for the price of printing his bumper sticker. I was a self-styled punk in the early ’80′s and heartily believe that there WAS something special and great and different about the intelligent punk back then — that which Green Day, Nirvana, etc. now reflect only in the most commercial sense today in my opinion (they’re too hypocritical, like many of us). Keep innovating at the margin! But also… because of these extraordinary times: innovate from the core, too: fight the power!

]]> By: richde http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-43 richde Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:14:47 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-43 Thanks for the pointer to the articles. I agree: a fsscinating fight. I think the VC's would agree that some commercial operation will give form to whatever services or products come out of this. Seems completely unclear what the form that will be though. Thanks for the pointer to the articles. I agree: a fsscinating fight. I think the VC’s would agree that some commercial operation will give form to whatever services or products come out of this. Seems completely unclear what the form that will be though.

]]> By: Stuart Shaw http://wwc.demillo.com/2009/10/14/edupunk-its-alien-vs-predator-with-relevance-of-universities-at-stake/#comment-42 Stuart Shaw Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:49:17 +0000 http://richde.wordpress.com/?p=256#comment-42 It's a tough call. Personally i'd give the punks the Alien tag, simply because the Predators are the ones who have always had the control - or think they had - and a lot of the big beasts out there are just out for anarchy. (Yes, im a sci-fi nut). But this whole debate - fight - fascinates me. For my money though I think we're about to get an Academic Napster, and I don't think it's going to be a punk, I think it's going to come from the inside, maybe Apple. Ive been collecting all these articles up in one place, kind of like a countdown if you want to take a look: http://psychfutures.ning.com/profiles/blogs/2009-the-year-edupunks-killed It’s a tough call. Personally i’d give the punks the Alien tag, simply because the Predators are the ones who have always had the control – or think they had – and a lot of the big beasts out there are just out for anarchy. (Yes, im a sci-fi nut). But this whole debate – fight – fascinates me. For my money though I think we’re about to get an Academic Napster, and I don’t think it’s going to be a punk, I think it’s going to come from the inside, maybe Apple. Ive been collecting all these articles up in one place, kind of like a countdown if you want to take a look: http://psychfutures.ning.com/profiles/blogs/2009-the-year-edupunks-killed

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